Honda XL Forum

Thanks! Al geef ik eerlijk toe dat ik het met je XLmaatje eens ben. De groene pakking ertussen vind ik best aardig om te zien. (maar waar hebben we het over, de kleur van pakking )


Even een vraagje tussendoor.

Qua inlopen van het blok schijnt het beter te zijn om minerale olie te gebruiken i.p.v. half/volsyntheet. Weet niet meer waar ik die kennis vandaan heb, wellicht wel hier op het forum gelezen, maar wil daarom een minerale olie erbij kopen. Afijn, de enige minerale die ik kan vinden is: https://www.oliehandel.nl/eurol-special ... 100010-1-1, maar ik vraag mij af of deze wel compatibel is met de natte koppeling? Werkplaatshandboek geeft wel aan dat het zou moeten kunnen. Namelijk, die olie heeft een SF api en het werkboek geeft dat als optie aan. Maar ik mis dan het MA2 kenmerk?

Zelf heb ik hier in de garage al 4liter https://smeermiddelenwinkel.nl/product/ ... -10w40-4t/ staan. Dit is dan een halfsyntheet met SM API én wel met MA2. Dus, wat is mogelijk én wat is wijsheid?

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Oil for the XL600R

With your inquiry about which oil is "right" for the 40-year-old XL600R PD03, you could cause a small(?) religious war.

The most important thing for the right oil of the XL600R is that it meets the specifications of the manufacturer HONDA, with all its consequences!

(HONDA MANUAL Page 2-1) API SERVICE CLASSIFICATION:

SE or SF

This means that even the cheapest modern 4T oils of today are several classes better than the oils offered back then (1983)!

E.G.: API SG is one or two classes higher or better!


The oils for motorcycles with their clutches IN an oil bath should therefore (!) meet a special standard (JASO).
If your oils meet this additional standard, then you are on the safe side! For example:

MANNOL 20W-50 Motorbike 4-stroke HD
from

http://www.motoröl-günstiger.de


Depending on how risk-averse you are, you can also try normal car oils! These are semi-synthetic engine oils!

However, you have to be aware that you may have to give your bike a new clutch!

I have already done it successfully several times without getting a slipping clutch, and thus saved a lot of money.
(One can do it like me, but you don't have to.)

As far as I know, there are hardly any purely mineral engine oils left!
All "SAE XW-Y" are not purely mineral engine oils, to get the wide temperature range!

Only the pure single-grade oils, which are 100% mineral, remain.

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Current mileage: 243.951 km/151617 mls
17.4.2015 Erster Motorschaden in Smilde, NL
29.6.2023: Tweede motorstoring in 56594 Willroth, G.!
28.4.2024: 41 jaar eerste bezitter van zijn XL600R
29.9.2024 XL stolen in Leicester, UK!

PS:
My statement above does not contradict that of Wössner. It merely complements them.

So, if you don't have an original Honda piston, but one from WÖSSNER, then you should follow his instructions!

I'm curious to see how high the price per liter of MOTUL 3000 10W40 is!

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Current mileage: 243.951 km/151617 mls
17.4.2015 Erster Motorschaden in Smilde, NL
29.6.2023: Tweede motorstoring in 56594 Willroth, G.!
28.4.2024: 41 jaar eerste bezitter van zijn XL600R
29.9.2024 XL stolen in Leicester, UK!

Hey Gabri,

Thanks for the elaboration!

Did not mean to start an oil war . In my book oil is oil and oil is adhering to regulated specs. Regardless of brand. I was just asking for confirmation on my train of thought and your post did that. So strenghted by Wossner instructions, my research and your confirmation I bought motul 3000 10W40. Is JASO MA2 and API SL (= backwards compatible with SF). Also bought an additional oilfilter (Hiflo 112) which I can throw away at the first oil change .

Paid € 27,95 for 4L. So roughly € 7 per liter. Is reasonably priced no?


Currently I'm cleaning the threads with a tap and the bolts with a polishing wirewheel and an ultrasonic bath. Those were so dirty! Don't want to strip my threads... Hoping to get the cilinder up next weekend.

Cheers!

Already did the cilinderbolts, now doing the cilinderhead bolts. Bottom, up and left are already done and "polished". Right is cleaned, but still need the ultrasonic bath.

Hoi Chilly.

nice to know I could help you (again).


I don't know, I didn't make a price comparisation.
Buying a brand (like MOTUL) always means you have to pay x % on top just for the name.

AFTER the running-in or later you could change (back?) to cheaper oil.

Bolt and thread cleaning:
To make this job 100% perfect I suggest to test it before you use them later on to finish.
Screw them (bolts into their corresponding threads) test-wise in to check for faulty threads!
Sometime this hepls to avoid a ugly awaking!

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Current mileage: 243.951 km/151617 mls
17.4.2015 Erster Motorschaden in Smilde, NL
29.6.2023: Tweede motorstoring in 56594 Willroth, G.!
28.4.2024: 41 jaar eerste bezitter van zijn XL600R
29.9.2024 XL stolen in Leicester, UK!

Just screwing in without actually torqing them to spec? If that is what you mean, I already doing that

Hey Chilly

Even better your idea, if you don't mind, check them with allowed max torque!
Than you are sure they work savely when finally tightend with their min torque.
A possible thread-repair is easier to accomplish in this position than later on!

What's your opinion?

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Current mileage: 243.951 km/151617 mls
17.4.2015 Erster Motorschaden in Smilde, NL
29.6.2023: Tweede motorstoring in 56594 Willroth, G.!
28.4.2024: 41 jaar eerste bezitter van zijn XL600R
29.9.2024 XL stolen in Leicester, UK!

Did jus this. Put the head on the cilinder and torqued to spec. Oiled the bolts - as required by Honda bible - as well. Thread held up good Then unbolted everything and stored it away again.

Doesn't it look pretty?

Hoi CH,


Is this a "trick question"?

The result is very mucho dependend from a personally taste.

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Current mileage: 243.951 km/151617 mls
17.4.2015 Erster Motorschaden in Smilde, NL
29.6.2023: Tweede motorstoring in 56594 Willroth, G.!
28.4.2024: 41 jaar eerste bezitter van zijn XL600R
29.9.2024 XL stolen in Leicester, UK!

Did you just say it wasn't pretty?




































































































Paintjob could have been a bit better I agree, but I'm happy

Hey


Of course not!
I wanted to express I have different priorities.

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Current mileage: 243.951 km/151617 mls
17.4.2015 Erster Motorschaden in Smilde, NL
29.6.2023: Tweede motorstoring in 56594 Willroth, G.!
28.4.2024: 41 jaar eerste bezitter van zijn XL600R
29.9.2024 XL stolen in Leicester, UK!